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Is it okay to punch a 'Nazi' in the face?

Is it okay to punch a 'Nazi' in the face? (Read the topic first)  

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  1. 1. Is it okay to punch a 'Nazi' in the face? (Read the topic first)



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ragreynolds    757

Okay so recently during protests against Donald Trump, Richard Spencer (a man who is one of the top figures associated with the alt-right) was punched in the face by a protester while answering a reporter's questions. Here's a GIF:

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Now Shia LaBeouf has been arrested for assaulting a man that people are also claiming was a 'Nazi'.

Now, Richard Spencer is most undoubtedly a piece of shit, but does that mean people should have the right to assault him? Of course not. I'm seeing people all over Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, etc... all screaming about how great it is that this has happened and how it is okay to punch 'Nazis'. 

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People are posting with the #FreeShia and all this other bullshit.

I'm honestly sickened to my core that people think it is okay to assault people just because they say horrible things. Actual Nazis are undoubtedly horrible people and don't deserve respect, but when you transform a verbal altercation into a physical one, it does not matter how horrible the other person is, you are the shitty person in that scenario.

Now, if it were as simple as just people being okay with punching Nazis, I wouldn't be as concerned as I am now. My biggest concern is coming from the fact that for a while now, the social justice types on the left have been falsely labelling countless people as 'white nationalists'. These people also conflate 'white nationalists' with Nazis. So if it's okay to assault 'Nazis', really what they're moving towards is an idea that it's okay to assault anyone that disagrees with you. I have been called a Nazi in the middle of online debates where I have said nothing offensive. I've seen people all over the internet saying that anyone who defends/supports Donald Trump is a white nationalist. I've had people say over and over again to me that although I may not be a horrible racist piece of shit, the fact that I support Donald Trump means that I am supporting racism and white nationalism, and that makes me just as bad.

What I'm saying is that people for a while now have been labelling those who disagree with them as racists, sexists, and white nationalists. And the new phrase is 'Nazi'.

I am honestly terrified that these people are going to continue assaulting more and more people and eventually people are going to die. And you just know that as soon as someone fights back or whatever, it will spread like wildfire that some white guy beat up a black guy, even though it was the black guy who started the fight with the white guy for being a 'Nazi'.

I don't feel as though I've worded this post very well. I'm kinda stuck here trying to get out what I want to say, but I think you get the point.

>SJWs promote the idea that it's okay to punch Nazis
>SJWs label people that disagree with them as Nazis
>SJWs assault the people they have labelled as Nazis

NOTE: If the so called 'Nazi' was actually a Nazi and was beating up Jews or something, then I'd have no issue with people fighting back. My issue is with people thinking it is okay to assault people who are saying things that they deem disgusting.

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ragreynolds    757

I also recently tried having a discussion with a few different people on Facebook regarding this. But everytime I said anything they would just send me this link: https://canipunchnazis.com/

I looked at the link and would carry on, only for them to say "Did you even click the link?" "Click the link" "You didn't click the link"

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ArseRaptor    77

Its NOT ok to punch a nazi... what they do is protected by free speech, and as long as what they do doesn't affect anyone negatively they should be allowed to voice their opinion just as anyone else... silencing people who dont share your ideology is the same as what stalin did.

same as sjw's, let them say what they want, protest and march all they want. but as long as they dont attack anyone or negatively affects peoples lives they should be allowed to do so.

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SkyBlu    154

He's got a dumb opinion and mindset but that's not enough to just start punching someone. Makes you look like the idiot.

Can't just start punching dudes who aren't punching others, ja feel.

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It's not okay to punch anyone who has different beliefs' than yours. However the real nazi proper skinheads....

are usually the ones that throw punches. They walk around with English flags + Swastika tattoos and they will fkin destroy you if you look at them funny (if you're black or brown) so in a way a real neo-nazi would be the one throwing the punches.

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Free speech is only protected in certain places and the only reason this got any traction was because of who it was on both sides. Jimmy's not wrong though, its usually the other side starting it and nothing coming of it. So what im trying to say is no you shouldnt just punch people but yes you can do it and if it wasnt for who it was this wouldn't have gone any further then a caution at best. 

Baring in mind there have been people in the UK thrown downstairs by far right groups and no one got arrested for it.

I voted no but would deffo vote yes in hilarity alone.

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Seeker    113
1 hour ago, EndangeredShark said:

Free speech is only protected in certain places and the only reason this got any traction was because of who it was on both sides. Jimmy's not wrong though, its usually the other side starting it and nothing coming of it. So what im trying to say is no you shouldnt just punch people but yes you can do it and if it wasnt for who it was this wouldn't have gone any further then a caution at best. 

Baring in mind there have been people in the UK thrown downstairs by far right groups and no one got arrested for it.

I voted no but would deffo vote yes in hilarity alone.

Someone else's political affiliation is none of your business. Let people talk the talk and if people step out of line, self-defense and the court of law is at your disposal. If a (real) neo-nazi or KKK-member runs around, singing the NiggerzBop song, I guarantee ya he's getting his ass kicked sooner or later. But is it his right? Yes it is. Would it be wrong for people to beat him senseless for it? That's for the court to decide, many of which aren't exactly sympathetic towards (real) bigots.

As for your mentioning of far-right groups, does it matter where they fall on the political spectrum? Nazis are lefties, btw.

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51 minutes ago, Seeker said:

Nazis are lefties, btw.

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Adolf Hitler wasn’t “right wing.” Hitler was a national socialist. When we examine Hitler’s Nazi Germany through the lens of history, most, if not all of us, think of the Holocaust. In fact the holocaust might be the only thing we associate with Hitler’s Nazis. We’ve all been told of the Jews, Slavs or any 'subhuman' being marched off to death camps where they were worked, tortured, then gassed. We’ve also heard of the experiments conducted by Hitler’s Dr. Mengele. All terrible practices which we rightly find horrifying. 

What we don’t often hear or learn about is how Hitler ruled the rest of Germany, what his domestic policies were for the German people, the ones he didn’t march off to death camps. Hitler’s domestic, socialist policies are the one's that we don't hear about.

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He had Nationalized Healthcare like the NHS (okay I'll agree that's good) however because of all the other free shit he gave to the aryans, taxes went up to 80% percent at one point. They even had marriage loans to establish a household.  That's left authoritarianism

Good conservative governments bring down tax and offer fewer public services so you have the freedom to choose to pay for that service yourself or opt out.

By bringing down tax, more jobs are created and the pay checks are bigger. Which means a huge amount of the population is employed and gets paid loads. Then they can choose which services they want themselves and pay them out of their own money. That's conservative.

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Gun Control was another issue. He took the guns off anyone that was not aryan which meant guns had to be registered.

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He blamed the One Percent Jews.  Despite that he insisted on taking their their money (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/8119805/Confiscated-Jewish-wealth-helped-fund-the-German-war-effort.html)

also he boycotted their businesses.

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The Police State

If you dared to oppose the Nazis or Hitler politically, especially with your words, you were fucked basically. Compare the Gestapo with how leftists want to jail people who do not believe in man-made climate change. 

Compare the Gestapo to some LGBT activists, who want to fine people who do not agree with gay marriage or the gay lifestyle (you're cunt if you don't agree but it's your right). Compare the Gestapo to liberal New York, which fines you for not using the right gender pronouns because it's classed as hate speech or whatever which is illegal. (http://louderwithcrowder.com/14731-2/) Gestapo = SJWs

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In Conclusion

Hitler was a horrible human being. But aside from how he treated the Jews, aside from his monstrous ways, his policies were anything but conservative. He wanted  a big government, he wanted big education, he wanted thought control. He hated political dissidents. He loathed free-speech. He feared an armed citizenry.

My point...why do people call the Nazis right wing? Because it's a political tactic of the left.

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On 27/01/2017 at 2:29 PM, Seeker said:

Someone else's political affiliation is none of your business. Let people talk the talk and if people step out of line, self-defense and the court of law is at your disposal. If a (real) neo-nazi or KKK-member runs around, singing the NiggerzBop song, I guarantee ya he's getting his ass kicked sooner or later. But is it his right? Yes it is. Would it be wrong for people to beat him senseless for it? That's for the court to decide, many of which aren't exactly sympathetic towards (real) bigots.

As for your mentioning of far-right groups, does it matter where they fall on the political spectrum? Nazis are lefties, btw.

Wanted to reply to this sooner but couldn't.

Not once have I called anyone a Nazi, only far right. Whether or not the Nazis were far right is irrelevant because the people I was describing are considered far right to what we associate that with. We can assume those calling this man a Nazi are doing so based on their vision of far right. I was also agreeing with a member that they usually throw the first punches and not much comes of it legality wise.

However, politics has every involvement in this conversation because the attack and traction behind it are politically motivated, this happened because of where they both stand on the political spectrum. They are the publics business, because it is a crime and it shouldn't be rolled up in a rug and thrown away just because of who these two people are, otherwise your political opinion is your own.

I find it funny though, the use of his language and the actual barbaric things he said under the guise of free speech would be a crime in some countries including my own. I dont believe he should had been hit for speaking, no matter how hateful, violence is obviously not that answer and clearly doesn't work for either sides.

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Protejade    16

It's only acceptable to punch someone in the face if they are hurting someone else. Their opinions may be stupid but thats their freedom to say what they feel.

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As much as people like that might make you want to punch them in the face, it's simply not okay to do so. For one it flies in the face of freedom of expression, it can trigger brawls or riots, and it only serves to hurt whatever case you may have.

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Seito    54

Well, if you great a Nazi with a "hai Hitler" and you putch them in the face from all the excitement its ok right?

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Seito    54
12 hours ago, Seito said:

Well, if you great a Nazi with a "hai Hitler" and you putch them in the face from all the excitement its ok right?

Oki i read the topic.

For a second when i saw the word nazi in your topic i thought you were talking about Real Nazis as if there're still underground nazis in this world who greet themselves in secret with "hail Hydra". I mean Nazi is a heavy word and its being used so lightly to describe people.

And no its not ok to lable someone a nazi just because you have a poor enough dictionary to discribe them otherwise and then attack them just because they are a nazi u just labled or because they say something you disagree with.

SWJs are acting so primitive and immature where they have to show their disagreement by assault. They have poor dictionary and lable people with heavy words to draw attention.Their behavior makes me think "thank god trump won, because if hilary won we would have had it worse."

At this point im glad anyone but Hilary won because if she had then all those SJWs would be on their high horse demanding respect and that you treat the like gods because anything you say might be offensive or a trigger so you're bad and they're good. I mean we would've had douchbags and stupid people thriving and being supported for. We would had freedom of speach for them and fear of speach for those who disagree. ( atleast thats what i think if hilary had won)

This video kinda says it all if we had SJWs thriving.

BTW People who are very close to real Nazis hit you before you hit them, it has happened on tv here in greece.

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Mark    21

Some people need a punch in the face to figure out what the fuck they're doing. Being a dipshit.

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