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Scottish YouTuber Facing a Year In Prison Over a YouTube Joke

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https://heatst.com/culture-wars/scottish-youtuber-faces-a-year-in-prison-for-teaching-nazi-trick-to-girlfriends-dog/

Basically, this Scottish YouTuber made a comedic video where his dog was watching Nazi propaganda and he taught it to do a Nazi salute. Apparently, some Jewish group found the video and reported him to the police and he got arrested. Now he's facing a year in prison and is thinking of applying for asylum in the US if things go badly. 

Fucking insane.

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I think I pretty well understand both sides and also being a Jew myself, I feel like my own opinion on this could weigh fairly heavily on the given matter, Here are my *JEWISH* two cents. 

 

One one hand here, what happened in WW2 was an atrocity and should NOT be poked fun at or made light of because millions of people died, men women and children died horrible deaths and were buried unsanctimoniously in ditches, stripped of their hair, their clothes and pretty much their whole human identity as people were stripped from them, even long before they were actually killed. I can fully understand the sensitivity behind the matter as it truly was a catastrophe that this even happened to behind with.

On the other side of the coin here, I watched this and I thought this was really funny!! I enjoyed it, it's performance art! Not all performance art out there will be pleasing to all people and this happened to be one of them. What if this man was trying to make a statement about that time in reminding people of what happened, so that it never happens to any people ever again? Sure, it's unorthodox in manner as it's not the same as  walking through Auschwitz birkenau, stepping on the ground up bone meal of those that have been long dead while   curiosity conciliates around what putrid stench of death lingered in the air that came from the chimneys, and this guy could have really been helping people learn from the past, even if people googled "Gas the jews" with malicious intent, they could have learned some valuable history  lessons that people wouldn't have googled or read a book about, otherwise! 

I think the fairest thing to do in this situation, because  people ARE sensitive about this topic, would be for youtube to take down the video in it's entirety and call it a day but this man shouldn't have been arrested and I would say maybe even taking down the video wouldnt  be fair, this dog that was TRAINED to do this, only knew if it responded to "Gas the jews" That maybe it would get a treat. This video was made because the guy's girlfriend thought the dog was so cute, and he wanted to make the dog do very uncute things, just like what he did in the video. Maybe it would have been better if he kept that video private for the most part  because there is no appeasing everyone, all of the time as it just cant happen. 

 

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That video is great though

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Just now, SkyBlu said:

That video is great though

it's fucking hilarious that's what it is 😂

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Oh wow, I recognize him. He did a TWIS for Sargon last month or so, and he was fucking great.

"Studies from the Universite of Common Sense 'av shown thae fights conta'n a considerabley higher level 'f punchin' then most other social events, ther'for when ye enter'a situation thae conte'ns a fight ye have ta' accep the fact tha' ye most likele ar' go'n ta' get fuckin' punched. Do ye also jump into swimming pools an' compla'n abou' get'n wet, ye fuckin' idiot?" -CountDankula on Moldylocks

"Do ye mean 4chan?... 4chan es responsibl fer Donal Trumps presidency? It had nothin' ta do with the actual votes or the electoral college or anything, but a bunch o' neckbeards livin' in ther Mum's basement wer pullin' the strings the entire teim, like the'r some kind of neu-age weeaboo illuminate?" -CountDankula on left-wing journalism

"So, ye can go into the AntiFa bigcartel, buy yerself some t-shirts, flags, beanies, so ye can show the world how much of a cunt ye ar'... Tha' also sounds a Hell of a lo' like thae Capitalism thing thae AntiFa's suppos'd ta' be fight'n against, bu' 'ey, the Revolution ain't cheep an' Daddy's trust fund can only go so far." -CountDankula on AntiFa

"Imagine bein' a member af thae evil ces-whi'-male Patrearche, an' you're payin' thousands o'dollars a'year tae attend'a Universite, so that ye can be forced ta'taek a class that ye don' wan' tae do, you don't even get any credit fo'r an' that ye will gain lit'rally nothin' from, jus' so ye can go'n attend it for a few hours each day 'n be told that yer absolutely terrible jus' because of who ye are. Who's gonna pay thousands jes'ta be tol' tha'the'r shet... I jus' nee' ta call my Dad an' I can get tha' shet for free." -CountDankula on Forced Social Justice courses at Clemson University

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Sounds like Scotland decided to turn its court system into a kindergarten classroom where the first kid to be even remotely annoying to the teacher is made into an example even if he didn't actually do anything wrong.

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8 hours ago, CleoSelene said:

Sounds like Scotland decided to turn its court system into a kindergarten classroom where the first kid to be even remotely annoying to the teacher is made into an example even if he didn't actually do anything wrong.

It's because the SNP loves to send people to the gulags when they don't fit their socialist narrative.

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8 minutes ago, His_Majesty_Jimmy_I said:

It's because the SNP loves to send people to the gulags when they don't fit their socialist narrative.

This actually has nothing to do with the SNP. The UK, in general, have these exact same laws prohibiting hate speech. In the UK we do not have true free speech. It's just that for whatever reason, the police/legal system are more intolerant of so-called 'hate speech' in Scotland than elsewhere in the UK.

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16 minutes ago, His_Majesty_Jimmy_I said:

It's because the SNP loves to send people to the gulags when they don't fit their socialist narrative.

So he gets turned into an example by the teacher. I mean, socialism is juvenile. It's misguided but thinks it has the answer.

 

 

The heart of true socialism is that resources should go where there is the most need. As opposed to market systems that attempt to allocate resources where they provide the most benefit.

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9 minutes ago, ragreynolds said:

This actually has nothing to do with the SNP. The UK, in general, have these exact same laws prohibiting hate speech. In the UK we do not have true free speech. It's just that for whatever reason, the police/legal system are more intolerant of so-called 'hate speech' in Scotland than elsewhere in the UK.

You have separate laws and a separate legal system.

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Just now, His_Majesty_Jimmy_I said:

You have separate laws and a separate legal system.

Separate laws and legal system for certain issues. Overall we are still governed by the UK, and in the UK we have strict hate speech laws, meaning that we do not have true free speech. That isn't just Scotland, that's the entire UK.

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2 hours ago, ragreynolds said:

This actually has nothing to do with the SNP. The UK, in general, have these exact same laws prohibiting hate speech. In the UK we do not have true free speech. It's just that for whatever reason, the police/legal system are more intolerant of so-called 'hate speech' in Scotland than elsewhere in the UK.

This is true all over Britain. You have the freedom to speak as long as it does not discriminate against or insinuate hatred. Not only that but stuff like the laws hes being sent to prison for were put in place to stop the rise of nazi types ever happening again. this is why you cant wear political uniforms for instant and the likes of Britain first have been prosecuted. It's not to punish the good but to genuinely try and keep hate speech under control. However, an obvious joke is an obvious joke and shouldnt really go to prison for this and has nothing to do with the SNP.

 

Just adding to yours Ryan because you'll respond with facts and continue this discussion instead of quoting people who will go "I don't care".

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3 hours ago, EndangeredShark said:

This is true all over Britain. You have the freedom to speak as long as it does not discriminate against or insinuate hatred. Not only that but stuff like the laws hes being sent to prison for were put in place to stop the rise of nazi types ever happening again. this is why you cant wear political uniforms for instant and the likes of Britain first have been prosecuted. It's not to punish the good but to genuinely try and keep hate speech under control. However, an obvious joke is an obvious joke and shouldnt really go to prison for this and has nothing to do with the SNP.

 

Just adding to yours Ryan because you'll respond with facts and continue this discussion instead of quoting people who will go "I don't care".

Yeah, I understand why these laws are in place, I just don't agree with them in the slightest. You cannot have a hate speech law in place that will account for jokes as well. Humour is subjective, and people could easily turn to using the excuse of "It was just a joke, I wasn't actually preaching for everyone to kill the Jews". The problem is that there are people who think that certain types of humour shouldn't be allowed. Maybe you don't like cancer jokes, but that doesn't mean the rest of the country shouldn't be allowed to tell them and laugh about them. Same goes for the likes of Holocaust jokes and 9/11 jokes. There should never be laws prohibiting hate speech, simply because everyone has a different idea of what hate speech is, and everyone has a different idea of what is and is not acceptable. There's a difference between actually threatening someone and telling other people to harass someone because they're black, or just saying that black people are all nasty and should fuck off. Everyone should be allowed to voice their opinions and say whatever they want, no matter how horrible or stupid that may be. What people should not be allowed to do is directly call for harm to come to someone else.

"I hate all black people and they should fuck off back to Africa" - racist and disgusting, but should be allowed.
"I hate all black people and you should get a bunch of your friends together on Saturday night and beat the shit out of that nigger who lives next door to you" - should not be allowed.

The difference between those two statements being that one was simply a hateful opinion being voiced, whereas the other was a direct call to harm someone because of that hateful opinion.

The best way to deal with racists and the like is always to let them speak. Let them speak and everyone will see how dumb and disgusting they are. If you do not let them speak, they will gather discreetly and their ideas will brew in the dark until suddenly you realise that there are far more of these people than you thought. Censorship of any speech, no matter how bad it is, is never a good thing. And that's what hate speech laws are; censorship of speech and ideas.

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You're probably right tbh but what I was trying to imply that Scotland is stricter, of course hate speech is illegal here too.

The only time I think hate speech should be illegal is if it's used for recruitment for terrorist groups or ones that oppose our British values. This was obvious comedy...so unless he's been beating up jews in his spare time and hasn't told us, he shouldn't be in prison.

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14 minutes ago, His_Majesty_Jimmy_I said:

You're probably right tbh but what I was trying to imply that Scotland is stricter, of course hate speech is illegal here too.

The only time I think hate speech should be illegal is if it's used for recruitment for terrorist groups or ones that oppose our British values. This was obvious comedy...so unless he's been beating up jews in his spare time and hasn't told us, he shouldn't be in prison.

Well yeah, the whole point of this thread is that him being put in prison is absurd. It almost worries me to an extent because my YouTube channel has a lot of 'distasteful' and potentially 'hateful' content on it. This guy only has 32K subs, probably was less when this all kicked off, so he's small. Not as small of a channel as mine, but we're both still small. I have various videos claiming Australians are all retards, videos saying that Brazilians are dummies, videos comparing various groups of people to child molesters, etc... so although I don't really have anything Nazi related (other than supporting Evalion's right to speak) I have a lot of content that I'm sure various people would like to have me arrested for too. 

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36 minutes ago, ragreynolds said:

Yeah, I understand why these laws are in place, I just don't agree with them in the slightest. You cannot have a hate speech law in place that will account for jokes as well. Humour is subjective, and people could easily turn to using the excuse of "It was just a joke, I wasn't actually preaching for everyone to kill the Jews". The problem is that there are people who think that certain types of humour shouldn't be allowed. Maybe you don't like cancer jokes, but that doesn't mean the rest of the country shouldn't be allowed to tell them and laugh about them. Same goes for the likes of Holocaust jokes and 9/11 jokes. There should never be laws prohibiting hate speech, simply because everyone has a different idea of what hate speech is, and everyone has a different idea of what is and is not acceptable. There's a difference between actually threatening someone and telling other people to harass someone because they're black, or just saying that black people are all nasty and should fuck off. Everyone should be allowed to voice their opinions and say whatever they want, no matter how horrible or stupid that may be. What people should not be allowed to do is directly call for harm to come to someone else.

"I hate all black people and they should fuck off back to Africa" - racist and disgusting, but should be allowed.
"I hate all black people and you should get a bunch of your friends together on Saturday night and beat the shit out of that nigger who lives next door to you" - should not be allowed.

The difference between those two statements being that one was simply a hateful opinion being voiced, whereas the other was a direct call to harm someone because of that hateful opinion.

The best way to deal with racists and the like is always to let them speak. Let them speak and everyone will see how dumb and disgusting they are. If you do not let them speak, they will gather discreetly and their ideas will brew in the dark until suddenly you realise that there are far more of these people than you thought. Censorship of any speech, no matter how bad it is, is never a good thing. And that's what hate speech laws are; censorship of speech and ideas.

 

9 minutes ago, His_Majesty_Jimmy_I said:

You're probably right tbh but what I was trying to imply that Scotland is stricter, of course hate speech is illegal here too.

The only time I think hate speech should be illegal is if it's used for recruitment for terrorist groups or ones that oppose our British values. This was obvious comedy...so unless he's been beating up jews in his spare time and hasn't told us, he shouldn't be in prison.

@ragreynolds I pretty much agree with you to a certain extent. A throw away comment does not equal hatred however, those prosecuted under hate speech are doing far worse then that, it's to the point that legal action is warranted. To an extent, I can understand it here someone trained their dog to do that and that's quite a joke to take that far, but even then I don't think it's meant in anyway but a joke and had it not been uploaded by his misus, we'd have never known. It honestly wouldn't have been brought up if it hadn't offended people, should he be sent to prison for offending people, of course not.

I agree everyone should have free speech and no one should be censored, I just don't agree that you are free from the reprocusions of that. Every action has a reaction after all and that's why the law is there I guess, it's important to remember that the law is specifically there to protect you from on going harrasment and discrimination, you are not going to be put in prison for a comment, but repeated comments, towards the same individuals will certainly get you there and in that case I think it's fine as it is a barrage of abuse that's disrupting lives. You are not going to be sent to prison for some edgy comment or video off the internet, no one, especially the forces has time for that so unless it gained traction or has something to do with the Nazis you are probably safe.

 

@His_Majesty_Jimmy_I I disagree Scotland are stricter, I just don't think it's something you hear about until it's taken to the court of a high profile is in trouble for it, you follow certain groups and channels and it'll be all you see, it's not exactly something the police force have time with and unless it's constant abuse not something they could really follow up on unless it gained traction through social media.

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5 minutes ago, EndangeredShark said:

 

@ragreynolds I pretty much agree with you to a certain extent. A throw away comment does not equal hatred however, those prosecuted under hate speech are doing far worse then that, it's to the point that legal action is warranted. To an extent, I can understand it here someone trained their dog to do that and that's quite a joke to take that far, but even then I don't think it's meant in anyway but a joke and had it not been uploaded by his misus, we'd have never known. It honestly wouldn't have been brought up if it hadn't offended people, should he be sent to prison for offending people, of course not.

I agree everyone should have free speech and no one should be censored, I just don't agree that you are free from the reprocusions of that. Every action has a reaction after all and that's why the law is there I guess, it's important to remember that the law is specifically there to protect you from on going harrasment and discrimination, you are not going to be put in prison for a comment, but repeated comments, towards the same individuals will certainly get you there and in that case I think it's fine as it is a barrage of abuse that's disrupting lives. You are not going to be sent to prison for some edgy comment or video off the internet, no one, especially the forces has time for that so unless it gained traction or has something to do with the Nazis you are probably safe.

 

@His_Majesty_Jimmy_I I disagree Scotland are stricter, I just don't think it's something you hear about until it's taken to the court of a high profile is in trouble for it, you follow certain groups and channels and it'll be all you see, it's not exactly something the police force have time with and unless it's constant abuse not something they could really follow up on unless it gained traction through social media.

Of course, there should be repercussions to saying stupid and hateful things, but those consequences should be entirely social and dealt out by your peers, never by the legal system. That's what makes free speech free speech. It's the fact you can say anything you want, and then people can react to that in anyway that they want. Do you want to say Jews deserved to die in the Holocaust? Feel free to say so, but everyone that knows you is also free to call you a piece of shit and never talk to you again. But it's certainly not a matter for the police to be involved in.

I keep saying to people, and I've written a whole chapter about this in my new book, the police came into existence for one reason, and was to stop bad people hurting good people. Somewhere along the line, it became the duty of the police to also protect people from themselves and to protect people from things they don't need protecting from. The police are there to stop murderers and thieves. They are there to stop people who are out to get you and harm your wellbeing. Being offended by what someone says, no matter how hateful or horrible that may be, is not something that is actually harming you, and it is not something that the police need to protect you from. However, threats of violence? Constant unwanted harassment? These are things that the police are there to protect you from. A threat is intent to make something non-harmful into something actually harmful, and that is something that must be dealt with. And as for harassment, it's not what a person says that makes something harassment, it's the act of actively saying things to them when you know for a fact that they don't want you to say those things/say anything to them.

And I'm not too familiar with the specific hate speech laws in the UK. It is entirely possible that Scotland does have actual stricter laws on top of the general UK laws, but from what I've read recently it just seems that Scotland is just more PC in general for some reason. But that actually surprises me because I'd have thought Scotland would be the least PC nation in the UK (aside from maybe Northern Ireland). 

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A Scottish YouTuber is getting a year shoved up his arse for offensive jokes and it isn't you? You aren't trying hard enough.

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49 minutes ago, The-Jackal said:

A Scottish YouTuber is getting a year shoved up his arse for offensive jokes and it isn't you? You aren't trying hard enough.

I'll try harder

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